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 Post subject: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 8:46 pm 
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Hi all I've just been watching the news tonight and from tomorrow in the UK the old rules on blood donation are changing. As is described by the blood service 'men who have sex with other men' were banned from donating blood. From tomorrow gay/bisexual men will be allowed to give blood provided they haven't had oral or anal sex for more than 12 months.

However heterosexual males and females who have had sex within the last 12 months will be able to give blood as they please, regardless to the fact that both straight male and females could and are partaking in unsafe sex.

This really upset me a little to read, just because the argument is flawed on so many levels.

I'd love to hear everyone's views on this, take a listen at this clip from the bbc website too, to hear the argument for the rules http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15625552

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 8:55 pm 
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I think this is a major success for human rights. As somebody who regularly donates blood anyway, and actively campaigned for this (I've even asked Clegg, in person) I can't see anything but positives.

christofaaa wrote:
However heterosexual males and females who have had sex within the last 12 months will be able to give blood as they please, regardless to the fact that both straight male and females could and are partaking in unsafe sex.

This really upset me a little to read, just because the argument is flawed on so many levels.


Can you name these many levels of flaws for me, please?

MSM (men who have sex with men) are a very high risk category for HIV aids. Out of all cases of HIV in the United Kingdom 40% are held by that of MSM members of the public. Homosexuals make a mere >1% of the population of the UK, and for them to hold almost half of all HIV cases makes them a VERY high risk category. The only reason this has been put through is because it was a breach of our human rights and there was a shortage of blood.

I think it's fine the way it is right now. No further change is needed.


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 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 9:03 pm 
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I'm merely putting this out there as a discussion topic, based upon the resources I have looked at, hence, i'm not getting into a debate upon my views and opinions.

I don't know where you gain the percentages and facts from, but my view, whether it correct or incorrect or somewhere in-between, are that if men want to give blood they have to abstain from sexual contact for 12 months. Its very unfair as I see it, but I do wholeheartedly take on board your comments regarding HIV/AIDS and the very serious ramifications. I really appreciate your views nikolii, Thanks

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 9:04 pm 
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I see the reasoning behind those laws, but I still don't agree with it. In the United States, you are restricted from donating blood if you've EVER had sexual contact with a man since 1977. I donated blood for the first and last time I ever legally can last Wednesday because I had my first sexual experience on Saturday. I know for a fact that the guy was clean, I'm still restricted from donating blood.

It's simply not fair, there are plenty of heterosexual couples who partake in unsafe sex. It's not as if every single gay guy has STD's.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 9:07 pm 
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christofaaa wrote:
regardless to the fact that both straight male and females could and are partaking in unsafe sex.

Heterosexuals who've had multiple sex partners are also deferred for 12 months. That said, I agree that the policy remains flawed.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 9:21 pm 
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I think there's also a lot of prejudice that goes on as well. The guy who I did things with is a lot more feminine than I am, and when he went to give blood they wouldn't let him donate regardless of how he answered the question.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 10:59 pm 
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How are they to know your gay? You could easily lie. What do blood clinics in the UK have gay and straight donation rooms where they're filled with porn just to be sure what you say you are...?

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 7th November, 2011, 11:10 pm 
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O.o I've given blood on many different occasions and I don't think I've ever been asked if I have sex with a man who has sex with other men. I guess I should've been asked, even in the USA?

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 8th November, 2011, 10:38 am 
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It's a really tricky one. MSM account for around 3-4% of the UK population according to NHS statistics, and as said previously, 40% of new HIV cases are MSM. Lack of condom use and the easily transmittable nature of HIV via unprotected anal sex is the reason.
The incidence rate amongst migrants from Africa is also unacceptably high though.
My personal thoughts are that it is necessary to have a timescale window, but it should be reduced to 3 months. That has been the accepted testing window for a good 15 years at least. MSM attending to donate blood would then have to produce documents showing that they have had a test and that they haven't had sex in the last three months.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 8th November, 2011, 11:28 am 
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Eric Carr wrote:
How are they to know your gay? You could easily lie. What do blood clinics in the UK have gay and straight donation rooms where they're filled with porn just to be sure what you say you are...?

Why would you use porn to donate blood anyway? I think you're thinking of something else.. :P (Just kidding).
Though in all seriousness, if I wanted to donate blood, I would just lie about being straight.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 8th November, 2011, 11:50 am 
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Truth be told, I've donated five times now. Four of those times, I was breaking the rules. The fact that the blood gets screened several times for a number of different tests, and that I get myself checked before every donation for HIV/AIDS (I've never had unprotected sex, but still). The fact that they choose to put these rules in, while admirable in concept in terms of removing such diseases, the application is so flawed that I simply and easily sidestep them. I'd gladly submit to increased pre-donation HIV screening, provided everyone, homosexual or heterosexual, had the same screening in place.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 8th November, 2011, 10:33 pm 
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Shouldn't even be an issue. I thinks its discriminating. Straight people get AIDS too.
That being said, I lied when I gave blood last month.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 9th November, 2011, 1:19 am 
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In NZ if you've had sex with a man in the last 5 years you can't donate blood.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 9th November, 2011, 7:26 am 
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I think it's a good step forward but I would like them to go further. Yes, statistically speaking, gay men have a higher chance of carrying HIV/AIDs, but all blood donations are screened these days...

I believe the Scottish Government is considering taking it a step forward and allowing gay men to donate in the same way as heterosexuals.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 10th November, 2011, 9:11 pm 
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IT's changing form the old school guys fucking every guy in the bathrooms though. Hopefully the rules will change eventually.


I don't donate blood anymore anyway, but I still think this is dumb.


I donated over a gallon in the year or so after high school. Hopefully that's far more than I'll ever need and it goes to good use.


I stopped because they have some ignorant people working a lot of times. It's fucking ridiculous to let idiots stick shit into peoples arms. The last time I donated was a fucking train wreck. I did double red. The guy was saying that my veins sucked or my blood flow sucked. Wasn't getting much coming out. He just wiggled the needle around in different directions stabbing me. When the machine turns on and started pumping saline into me it started filling a pocket in my arm. I had this big fucking bulge starting around where the needle was. Finally got somebody to come over. They un did everything and turned off the machine. The guy was like yeah, that probably will go down in a day. I was like probably? WTF? He finally gave me a number to call if it didn't. It went down and returned to normal. The idiot had poked it all around my vein and it obviously wasn't even in the vein well at all, and that's why the saline went out and filled up into my arm. IT was fucking scary.

My veins are fine, my blood flow is fine, if anything other times it went extremely smoothly. Then some idiots that didn't know what they're doing fucked it up. I was done with that shit.


They called me a couple more times when blood donations were in my area, i was like no thanks, you guys hire sketchy people, I'm done.

At the time of donating I hadn't had sex with a guy anyway so it was no big deal. Plenty of people that want to donate lie anyway.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 11th November, 2011, 8:54 am 
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The main reason for this rule apart from the fact that men are a "high risk category" is that HIV, unlike other diseases, is undetectable in blood for the first 3 months after contraction. It's understandable that they air on the side of caution, even if it is discrimination....

I'm not allowed for the above reason but also because I lived in the UK for 6 months in 1994 and they think I have mad cow disease................

MOOOOOOO

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 28th November, 2011, 6:19 pm 
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Argh, I tried to donate blood and I can't!
Apparently British people cannot donate blood overseas anyway because of the 'mad cow disease' which was in England back in the early 90's.
It's so frustrating :hitler:

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 28th November, 2011, 6:56 pm 
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I think this is a majour break through on the previous life ban, however in reality where are you going to find a gay guy who hasn't had sex in the last 12 months although it is an improvement it is still flawed.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 28th November, 2011, 7:26 pm 
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i think its because, from what i've heard men who have sex with others have higher risk of std's lol idk :squint: just be thankful we can now :awesome:

Isn;t anyone who is sexually active at risk of getting STD's? Regardless of their gender and sexual orientation? I was actually reading this book/article on how HIV and AIDS came to be, and in Europe before they caught onto it it was more of a STRAIGHT disease, but when it got to the US, it was all of a sudden known as a gay disease... It was a very interesting article.

But yeah, its the same thing here. We can;t donate blood if we declare ourselves as gay.

  
 
 Post subject: Re: Donating blood
Unread postPosted: 28th November, 2011, 7:45 pm 
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It's wrong because it assumes that all MSM practice risky sex/are HIV+. It would never stand to do this for say, blacks, even though they are statistically at higher risk for HIV.

  
 
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