Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

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Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Jacketh » 10th September, 2017, 9:23 pm

The BBC (the UK's main, state-funded news network) released this video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-4093 ... s-and-gifs



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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Ethán » 10th September, 2017, 9:25 pm

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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 10th September, 2017, 9:27 pm

Jacketh wrote:(the UK's main, state-funded news network)

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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Ethán » 10th September, 2017, 9:34 pm

Mess this video is almost as stupid as her voice :tea:
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Pity » 10th September, 2017, 10:00 pm

This isn't in Intellectual Discussion, so I can say with conviction that if you support this video's claims, you're a fucking moron.

Here's a very excellent video by a conservative, female, and anti-SJW person-of-color!
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Jacketh » 10th September, 2017, 10:20 pm

Pity wrote:This isn't in Intellectual Discussion, so I can say with conviction that if you support this video's claims, you're a fucking moron.

Here's a very excellent video by a conservative, female, and anti-SJW person-of-color!



I dunno, I think it *kinda* has a point. There is certainly an attraction to using black people .gifs.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Pity » 10th September, 2017, 10:51 pm

Have you ever thought that they're, gasp, entertaining? :O
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Jacketh » 10th September, 2017, 11:22 pm

Yeah, but is that because they're black? Would the popcorn .gif be entertaining if it was white-faced, no nose Michael Jackson? I dunno.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Wayde » 10th September, 2017, 11:39 pm

Jacketh wrote:Yeah, but is that because they're black? Would the popcorn .gif be entertaining if it was white-faced, no nose Michael Jackson? I dunno.

Um, no? When I use a gif I use it for the expression they're making, action they're doing, or the reputation of the person (such as how Wendy Williams is universally associated with gossip). Honestly, I don't even think that most of the gifs people use are of black people. I'd say its pretty balanced.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Pity » 11th September, 2017, 12:16 am

Jacketh wrote:Yeah, but is that because they're black? Would the popcorn .gif be entertaining if it was white-faced, no nose Michael Jackson? I dunno.


It is actually racist on your behalf because you're assuming that black entertainers are only amusing to people because of their skin color. Could it be that they're actually good at entertaining? :O
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Jacketh » 11th September, 2017, 12:23 am

Wayde wrote:
Jacketh wrote:Yeah, but is that because they're black? Would the popcorn .gif be entertaining if it was white-faced, no nose Michael Jackson? I dunno.

Um, no? When I use a gif I use it for the expression they're making, action they're doing, or the reputation of the person (such as how Wendy Williams is universally associated with gossip). Honestly, I don't even think that most of the gifs people use are of black people. I'd say its pretty balanced.


Why do you always see Wendy Williams, Oprah and Steve Harvey .gifs, though?

Rarely see Ellen, Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon in contrast to them.

I'm not saying its true or do I agree with the video, but I'd say there is a point somewhere in the garbage she's spewing.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Kaspar » 11th September, 2017, 3:35 am

The whole argument seems ridiculous to me, honestly. And I do agree with Pity on that.

Gifs are a way to express your feeling be it joy, irritation or anger. The fact that gifs with black people are used more often, is probably even a compliment for them! Because it means that they are more expressive and fun than many white people!

What Jack pointed out - that there aren't many popular gifs with, say Ellen, Jimmy Fallon etc.
In my opinion, if they were more fun and entertaining, there would definitely be more gifs. It's like a true free market - if the product is better in quality, it will be chosen more often :P

Lastly, we don't use gifs to laugh AT people there (we have these awful fail videos for that :P ). Gif is a good gif when it expresses your emotions in a fun way. And apparently, black people are good at being fun - which is rather a very good trait imo! :)
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby JonathanT88 » 11th September, 2017, 7:28 am

I think the video has a point, but articulates it badly and takes it to an eye-roll inducing "SJW" conclusion.

Gifs articulate emotions and reactions; stereotypes often evoke the "feeling" necessary to do this. A sassy black woman used in a gif is more impactful than, say, a white woman snapping her fingers sassily because it draws on this deep-seated conception we have of a certain 'type' of woman, invariably black. Perhaps the "sassy black woman" is best thought of as an archetype/character, and the fact it's instantly evocative for everyone is what makes it so useful in gifs, a format in which a lot has to be said in a few seconds of video. White people aren't stereotyped as "sassy" in the same way and thus aren't as successful at evoking the "sassy" feel required, unless, of course, they're "wine moms" or homosexuals (/camp men), in which case the stereotypes align and they can be used.

The video tackles gifs involving exclusively POC, and by failing to see the wider picture ignores something important. All gifs draw on stereotypes, including, but not limited, to ones revolving around black people. Where original "black face" was a directed and cruel attack against black people, gifs are a medium which draw on all sorts of cultural stereotypes, and employ them to embody an emotion quickly, and simply. Examining black people gifs alone does make them seem racist, but contextualised within the medium as a whole they're just a fun way of expressing yourself in pictures which draw on stereotypes/widely known "characters", and I don't see a problem with that.

Of course, stereotypes can be damaging, and I don't doubt negative, and inaccurate, black stereotypes could be employed to make a nasty, racist gif. However, unless you want to outlaw all stereotypes, we should assess each gif on its own individual merit rather than spewing hip 21st century trash as the woman in this video has done.

I could go on about the problems with her argument (the "cultural appropriation" section, which actually didn't really tie in with her main point anyway, in particular) but I can't be arsed, so I figured I'd just provide my own thoughts on reaction gifs.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby KrisCross » 11th September, 2017, 7:29 am

Reaction gifs from black people are more common because the full range of white people's emotional expression looks like this

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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby jotopijo1 » 11th September, 2017, 7:39 am

I don't understand why they have started using real-life skin colours in emojis in the first place. They should have just left them yellow and there wouldn't be a problem now.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby KrisCross » 11th September, 2017, 7:43 am

jotopijo1 wrote:I don't understand why they have started using real-life skin colours in emojis in the first place. They should have just left them yellow and there wouldn't be a problem now.

They were all white before, the yellow ones only came as default when they added skin colors.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Ethán » 11th September, 2017, 8:21 am

Still not buying it
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Kaspar » 11th September, 2017, 8:42 am

Ethán wrote:
Still not buying it
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OMG and here we have Ethan using a WHITE woman on a gif. :@

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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby (un)creative » 11th September, 2017, 8:44 am

This is kinda ridiculous tbh...
I don't use a particular gif because the person is black, I use it because it's funny. And that's also the answer to her question. It's not the blackness of the people that's entertaining, it's the expression on their face or something they're saying.
Blackface was about making fun of the stereotypes about the way black people look. Thick lips, big foreheads, things like that. Using a gif where some guy is standing, eyes wide open, shocked like he just saw a ghost, is not about him being black, it's about his facial expression. Using a quote gif with Kevin Hart is about the quote, about the face he made while saying it, the way he expressed it and not about him being black.
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Re: Is it OK to use black emojis and .gifs?

Unread postby Ethán » 11th September, 2017, 8:52 am

Kaspar wrote:-snip-

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