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AUSTRALIA SAYS YES

Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 14th November, 2017, 7:22 pm

The results of the marriage law postal survey were announced today.

61.6% FOR YES

that is all
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Unread postby Aris » 14th November, 2017, 8:00 pm

YES! Well done Australia! :) Hope other countries will do the same
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Unread postby Jacketh » 14th November, 2017, 8:59 pm

Wooooo. Isn't this near enough every major Western democracy now?

Also, is that higher or lower than expected?
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Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 14th November, 2017, 9:46 pm

Jacketh wrote:Wooooo. Isn't this near enough every major Western democracy now?

Also, is that higher or lower than expected?

Given that yesterday we were all shitting ourselves about the prospect of a No vote, or thinking Yes would win with between 50-55%, its a brilliant result. And I think that does make basically every major Western democracy bar Italy.
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Unread postby Finch » 14th November, 2017, 9:59 pm

I came back just so I could see if someone made a post about this.
Ready for all the gay marriages to put all other weddings to shame :lol:
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Unread postby Notatoken » 14th November, 2017, 10:09 pm

I'm in Michigan yet I'm still excited. This is important if we are going to shift opinions in other countries that aren't as accepting.
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Unread postby Example » 15th November, 2017, 4:29 am

yea congrats australia
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Unread postby Sokol » 15th November, 2017, 7:48 am

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Unread postby Dolly » 15th November, 2017, 9:54 am

yay
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Unread postby CelticSky » 15th November, 2017, 4:57 pm

Go Australia! :heart:

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Unread postby Flower » 1st January, 2018, 9:53 pm

No. This is wrong.
This is all wrong.
60% Yes means 40% no.

"The rights of man come not from the generiosity of the state, but from the hands of god" -Kennedy

You cannot vote liberty.
How dare anyone can even suggest voting on liberty?
If the majority said "no", what was going to happen?
How can a straight person can dare to vote about my rights?

To be able to marry is a part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Voting that is absurd. As long as the once mighty "queer revolution" is reduced to a crowd of pacifists, the gay rights [which they are obviously basic human rights] will be denied, stalled and then need public approval.

All lgbtq people owe their freedoms to a trans women of colour, who throwed bricks to the cops. Her name was Marsha Johnson. She was angry! No, she was furious! Because they stole her rights from her, the same state who says it is a "democracy". She attacked them, lgbtq people attacked them. And they won. That is how the gay liberation begun.

Its a shame that queer people celebrate this. Celebrating that your rights became a matter of politics. Celebrating that other people has a right to meddle with your life. Those who don't read history is doomed to repeat it, unfortunately.

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Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 3rd January, 2018, 6:04 am

in response to that ^

if you were paying attention, LGBTI people didnt ask for a vote on our rights. it was forced on us by a cowardly Prime Minister leading a weak government. So we decided to fight like hell to win it - which we did.

ALSO WE WERE FUCKING ANGRY. LIKE REALLY FUCKING ANGRY. seriously go and check the fucking news about it BYE
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Unread postby Flower » 3rd January, 2018, 9:21 am

I never said that they did. But It is. People never asked for it but they never fought against it either.

It could have been worse. Lets say they said "no". Were you [Australian Queer People] going to accept that?

But you agreed to gamble it.
You cast your vote and agreed to accept what comes out of the box.

That is the point. I read all the international newspapers and never seen anything about people condemning the referandum. They were all like "lets beat those guys".

I just wanted to say that queer people gave that referandum legitimacy and that was wrong. If the queer people backlashed the parliment for "voting" their rights, they could easily made marriage equality a reality. We all now they could do it.

theconversation.com/australia-doesnt-need-a-plebiscite-on-same-sex-marriage-irelands-experience-shows-why-61499

This is why I think this referandum is "wrong from the beginning".
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Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 3rd January, 2018, 6:22 pm

Well I thank you, Turkish user, for lecturing me on this issue that I was smack bang in the middle of fighting for. Personally I never had any doubt in my mind we were going to lose it. The only time I thought we might lose was when the Greens Party considered boycotting for a few days, while the Labor Party jumped in from the start to back-up the Yes campaign. From the get-go, the Yes campaign was more organised and ran a better ground game. Victorian Trades Hall, in collaboration of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, launched a campaign with material that became synonymous with the whole matter. Australian Marriage Equality guided the national campaign. The Labor Party, Greens and Coalition all had their own Yes campaigns. I was never in any doubt that we would lose, but do you want to know why we took the risk?

Because the Leader of the Labor Party committed to delivering marriage equality no matter what.

Bill Shorten, the man currently poised to be the next Prime Minister, committed to delivering marriage equality even in the face of a no vote. And we did condemn it. We absolutely did. All over the place. Maybe take a look at the Australian national press to see us slam the process. But we decided to fight it and we decided to win it. Because that's exactly what the conservatives didn't want us to do. They wanted us to boycott the process and to decry its legitimacy. So we decided to win this thing.

Also stop fucking referring to it as a referendum, that is not what it was. It was a non-legally binding postal survey.
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Unread postby WinterIsHere » 12th January, 2018, 10:17 am

It's great to see people are becoming more accepting of an issue that should not be a dividing subject in the first place.
I just traveled through Austria and they are going to slowly reform their partnerships into marriage rights as well in the nearer future.

It's really depressing that some people don't understand the different experiences other people have and use "conservative" views to defend their stance and limit others' rights in the process. Nevertheless, it is important to understand that some are probably scared of a new experience because they just don't understand, and ideally people in the future will understand that equality will allow people to express their experiences freely without forcing anything on anyone.

I hope the overwhelming wave of countries legalizing same sex marriage shows not only the support but will also help people understand that there is noting non-conservative about same sex relationships. I dare compare it to recognition of civil rights for women and racial minorities as those groups face comparable levels of discrimination and lack of acceptance as equals.
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Unread postby Auralnauts » 14th January, 2018, 5:21 am

Damn, that blows.
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