I HATE GAYS, GANG BANGERS AND FUCKING JERKERS
UNLESS ITS GAY GANGBANGERS THATS FUCKIN JERKERs

I honestly hate queers, the really really really gay ones unless they are younger cuz they don't know better but it's just like asking to be called a gay fagget bitch or a dick sucking queer ya know? sure, be gay but you don't have to flop your gayness around like its a fucking scene and HONESTLY I think it's like labeling themselves whenever they you know.. be gay around other people! unfortunately even I am still uncomfortable around raging homo's and to even the non-obvious ones who suck my dick it's stilll... weird

I don't think they are bad no. They aren't doing anything wrong. They are doing what makes them happy and being themselves so who are we to deny them of that?

So much fucking idiocy in this thread.

Personally I am not a fan of femmies. They started gay-pride and that's what gave the gay community a bad reputation. Straight people don't go around flaunting their "Straight-pride" yet somehow gays try to make themselves better by being gay? I am comfortable with my masculinity/femininity so it's not a big issue but for femmies if someone says something negative about their style they have to throw in everyone's face about how gay they are and try and hold themselves above others. this is just my opinion.

i think it is good we have gay-pride and your right Straight people don't go around flaunting their "Straight-pride"
but at the same time when was the last time u saw on the news about Straight people getting killed or hurt by others for being Straight?
i have had the shit kicked out of me by people that where my friends just for being gay
Straight people dont get that do thay?
we have gay-pride to show the world that we dont care if we get hurt we rwho we are and there is nothing thay can do

Generally speaking, I don't care. In a more personal situation I suppose it depends on the person. I've met feminine gays that I don't mind at all, and I've met some people who are just over the top. It's less about them being really feminine and more about me being uncomfortable around people who are over the top.

Because it's not just him. There are so many homosexuals who like the same things and act the same way. Every stereotype has some truth to it. And I'm not saying it's their fault or that we should think lesser of them for it, but they do unwillingly contribute to the way we are viewed, which is what I gathered that this thread is asking.

But is it a problem because they're acting this way or because people have a negative perception of men acting in a feminine manner and then projecting this distaste onto homosexuals as a whole?

Both. Obviously it is bad that society has a stigma against men who act like women, but because it does, homosexual men who act feminine contribute negatively to society's view of homosexuals. If homosexual men didn't act feminine, society would still have a stigma against feminine men, and even against homosexuals for the way the act in the bedroom and for relationships, but they would certainly have less to stigmatize us for.

I find some of them hot so I can't really hate them.

But I don't think I could stand being around some of them for an extended period of time. There are definitely a few who are just plain fake and attention-seeking, and I hate that .

Easier for some to change their mannerisms then to change societies negative perceptions.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with effeminate gays but I do think that they add to the stereotype and I hate that. Diversity is good and people should feel free to act as they choose.

Is there something wrong with it? Not at all. People come in all sorts, and that means effeminate men and masculine women as well.

However, part of the reason that effeminate gays are so associated with homosexuals having a bad name is because they are the most noticeable portion of the entire group. If you see a really flamboyant 'flamer' walking down the street, you take notice of it. However, the businessman you just passed could also be gay, and you would never know, and therefor don't associate them with the group as a whole.

The fact that there are groups of such effeminate gays that are militant about the issue also adds fuel to the fire. They actively work to be in your face, which is always obnoxious, whether it's from a straight preacher or a gay flamer.

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The homosexual cmmunity is not tolorate, just like the heterosexual one. When I see a effeminate dude he seems cute to me. though I'm not attracted to them
Tolorance. it hurts, but try.

I don't really mind them, but I wouldn't really want to date a guy that's over the top in that way, and it around where I am at least they seem to be the largest cause of homophobia, with most people saying they wouldn't mind if they "didn't act or dress like that"

I do think "they" give the rest of us a bad name, "they" are the cause of the stereotype, and I do think it's not the most "natural" thing for a man to do, but I could say the same about talking "like a man", walking "like a man", dressing "like a man" and... having sex with another man.
Why "they"? Because it's not their fault. They are who they are, just like everyone else here, the difference is: when you are manly, people on the street do not look at you and think "oh, he's gay", they see you just like any other (straight) man, but when a flamer goes by... that's totally different.

What does experience tell those people on the street? That all gay men are flamboyant, wear PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK and do nothing but shopping and "HEY GIIIIRLLLL LET'S GO OUT, GET SOME GUYS!" and that stuff. Do WE know they are wrong? Yes. And ARE they? You may say yes, but what do you know about emos, gothics, hippies and any other of those groups? Unless you've done some research, what you know is what you see, and you think that's how things actually are. The exact same thing happens to us, homosexuals. People see, people think they know something.
The only solution I can see is the following: don't use your manliness to hide your sexuality. Come out. If every manly gay guy came out of the closet, people would end up realizing we are just like anyone else.

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