Do you think race determines intelligence?

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Do you think race determines intelligence?

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Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Calcifer » 25th March, 2017, 2:58 pm

So, this is a question that came to me after listening to a rather wonderful book on the subject, and many similar (Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond). If you could say why you think yes/no, then that'd be grand.

Personally, I don't think that race has any influence on the success or intelligence of a populace - It's entirely based off of their environment.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Pity » 25th March, 2017, 3:13 pm

I'm not really sure if this is a good discussion to be having.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 25th March, 2017, 3:45 pm

Pity wrote:No, race does not determine intelligence, but there are biological factors in and between the races that affect the intelligence of the different races and ethnicities.

Let's tweak this a little further.

No, 'race' does not determine intelligence, though there are biological and social factors in and between different ethnicities that may affect the average intelligence of individuals of those ethnicities.

Stated this way, I wonder if we could all agree on it.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby FirePhantom » 25th March, 2017, 3:50 pm

Guns, Germs and Steel does not posit that race determines intelligence. If that's what you took from it, then you should work on your reading comprehension. The thesis of the book is that a variety of environmental factors can lead to one group of humans getting a cutting edge on other groups of humans, all else, namely genetics, being pretty equal.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Pity » 25th March, 2017, 3:56 pm

If you say so?
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Calcifer » 25th March, 2017, 4:15 pm

FirePhantom wrote:Guns, Germs and Steel does not posit that race determines intelligence. If that's what you took from it, then you should work on your reading comprehension. The thesis of the book is that a variety of environmental factors can lead to one group of humans getting a cutting edge on other groups of humans, all else, namely genetics, being pretty equal.


No, I understand what the book is about, that's why I asked the question to see what others thought. Although I already agreed with the conclusions, I didn't understand the explanation quite as well as I did before getting it.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Example » 25th March, 2017, 5:30 pm

I voted no
even if there is a poll that shows a certain race to be less educated I think the potential for intelligence is the same
in pockets in places like Africa lot's of people might be uneducated but that's not cause they're black I decided its all the circumstances around them
if it switched and we were put in those cities we would be the same uneducated
so I decided uneducated doesn't equal unintelligent since the capacity to learn is the same
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Togetik » 25th March, 2017, 9:02 pm

Anonymous Boy wrote:
No, 'race' does not determine intelligence, though there are biological and social factors in and between different ethnicities that may affect the average intelligence of individuals of those ethnicities.

Stated this way, I wonder if we could all agree on it.


Not really, biological factors still don't really play into it at all as far as modern credible science is concerned. Bar that you are right
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Pity » 25th March, 2017, 9:06 pm

I think we should ask ourselves, "Why does it matter?"
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Togetik » 25th March, 2017, 9:46 pm

Pity wrote:Modern credible science shows that both socioeconomic factors and biological factors play a role.


Thanks for that informative post full of sources and information, really enlightening
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 25th March, 2017, 10:01 pm

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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby JonathanT88 » 25th March, 2017, 10:43 pm

This has been discussed extensively elsewhere. I suggest you all look at the many pages on Pity's white nationalist thread before reigniting a now overdone discussion.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Cobalt » 26th March, 2017, 2:37 am

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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Vortex » 26th March, 2017, 3:29 am

IDK I've met some really dumb asian guys.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby George » 26th March, 2017, 4:09 am

I think it comes down to a mixture of culture and socioeconomic factors, rather than race. It is merely that some races have significantly more disadvantages socioeconomically, which creates the split we see.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Kaspar » 26th March, 2017, 5:28 am

The term "race" is to be associated only with plainly physical aspects of appearance of individuals and is a result of environment that they live in. Intelligence is no way connected with that. What affects intelligence is more of an ethnical/social issue, that's the level of education system, hard working and respect of science according to the culture people live in. This might be the reason why in most research papers black people tend to score the lowest (due to low level of education, more people living in poverty, higher level of theft in rural areas etc.), white people score pretty well (due to high level of education in technologically advanced western countries) and Asian people score the highest (due to a great cult of hard working and success values in some Asian cultures e.g. Japanese, Korean). Of course borders are fluid, not all people are the same and there is some generalizing involved, but its fairly accurate.
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Calcifer » 26th March, 2017, 6:46 am

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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Example » 26th March, 2017, 6:54 am

Calcifer wrote:
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 26th March, 2017, 7:00 am

Calcifer wrote:
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Re: Do you think race determines intelligence?

Unread postby Calcifer » 26th March, 2017, 7:05 am

Pity wrote:Modern credible science shows that both socioeconomic factors and biological factors play a role.


I'm always suspicious of anyone who says 'science shows' without anything to back it up.

I'd argue that biology has nothing to do with it. We all diverged from a common ancestor not too long ago, not enough time has passed for evolution to affect us in a radical way when it comes to intelligence - You can far more easily trace the differences in intelligence between communities to their diet, then you can to their race.
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