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Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Pity » 23rd March, 2017, 11:27 am

Billionaire tech giant Elon Musk believes that reality, as we know it it, is really a simulation created by an advanced artificial intelligence system. It seems plausible that another technologically-advanced species or future humans would be able to create hyper-realistic simulations to test diseases, natural disasters, physics theories, etc.

He explained this possibility by explaining that in the past 40 years, we have gone from archaic, single-player ping pong games to graphics-heavy, photorealistic games that can host millions of online players, so it could be possible.

Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Vortex » 23rd March, 2017, 12:27 pm

Probably not, no.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 23rd March, 2017, 12:40 pm

Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Pity » 23rd March, 2017, 12:58 pm

Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.


Perhaps, but our current games are just as immoral, like GTA, Call of Duty, etc.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 23rd March, 2017, 1:00 pm

Pity wrote:
Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.

Perhaps, but our current games are just as immoral, like GTA, Call of Duty, etc.

How so?
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Kaspar » 23rd March, 2017, 1:00 pm

Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.

Would it be that immoral for it just to provide the entertainment? If we were a simulation then who would care really? It would be just a simulation. And who has never tried to kill off his character in Sims by making it drown?
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby JonathanT88 » 23rd March, 2017, 1:13 pm

Fucking sick-minded 10 year old.

(Also I see no way of either proving or disproving this idea. It's an interesting thought though.)
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Knope » 23rd March, 2017, 1:17 pm

JonathanT88 wrote:Fucking sick-minded 10 year old.

(Also I see no way of either proving or disproving this idea. It's an interesting thought though.)


Exactly. It doesn't seem like this idea is falsifiable.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 23rd March, 2017, 1:23 pm

Kaspar wrote:
Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.

Would it be that immoral for it just to provide the entertainment? If we were a simulation then who would care really? It would be just a simulation. And who has never tried to kill off his character in Sims by making it drown?

Me, for a start. :P But that's beside the point.

The adults making the games would presumably have a concept of morality, and they would presumably realise that they're probably "just a simulation" too, which should give them pause. We've got to that point and we're nowhere near the level of technological sophistication required to physically simulate even one sentient being, let alone a whole universe with tonnes of them. Today's games obviously don't simulate brains or anything capable of experiencing pain.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby FirePhantom » 23rd March, 2017, 3:23 pm

Kaspar wrote:
Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.

Would it be that immoral for it just to provide the entertainment? If we were a simulation then who would care really? It would be just a simulation. And who has never tried to kill off his character in Sims by making it drown?

The Sims aren't sentient, self-aware entities who can suffer.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Togetik » 24th March, 2017, 2:40 am

If so, it's a pretty sucky one
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby nickdesenlis » 26th March, 2017, 9:39 pm

Anonymous Boy wrote:
Kaspar wrote:
Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.

Would it be that immoral for it just to provide the entertainment? If we were a simulation then who would care really? It would be just a simulation. And who has never tried to kill off his character in Sims by making it drown?

Me, for a start. :P But that's beside the point.

The adults making the games would presumably have a concept of morality, and they would presumably realise that they're probably "just a simulation" too, which should give them pause. We've got to that point and we're nowhere near the level of technological sophistication required to physically simulate even one sentient being, let alone a whole universe with tonnes of them. Today's games obviously don't simulate brains or anything capable of experiencing pain.


You're assuming that the "adults" making the game are even human to begin with. If they're not then we have no clue if that species has the same conceptions of morality as we do. There is arguably the possibility a species could develop the technology to simulate an entire universe. Without going into the intricacies of such a debate, it can be said that such a thing is at the very least conceivable. However, as was said before this question is rather unable to be answered.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby TheBrunswickian » 26th March, 2017, 10:00 pm

Pity when did you become Alex Jones? Must be them chemtrails
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby nickdesenlis » 26th March, 2017, 10:35 pm

Ultimately the bigger questions this draws out are what is knowledge and what do humans know.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 27th March, 2017, 5:21 am

nickdesenlis wrote:
Anonymous Boy wrote:
Kaspar wrote:
Anonymous Boy wrote:
Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

I feel like creating whole virtual universes with suffering beings in them would likely tend to be considered immoral if all the good it did was provide entertainment for a child. It seems more likely that we are in a simulation for purposes of scientific research.

Would it be that immoral for it just to provide the entertainment? If we were a simulation then who would care really? It would be just a simulation. And who has never tried to kill off his character in Sims by making it drown?

Me, for a start. :P But that's beside the point.

The adults making the games would presumably have a concept of morality, and they would presumably realise that they're probably "just a simulation" too, which should give them pause. We've got to that point and we're nowhere near the level of technological sophistication required to physically simulate even one sentient being, let alone a whole universe with tonnes of them. Today's games obviously don't simulate brains or anything capable of experiencing pain.

You're assuming that the "adults" making the game are even human to begin with. If they're not then we have no clue if that species has the same conceptions of morality as we do. There is arguably the possibility a species could develop the technology to simulate an entire universe. Without going into the intricacies of such a debate, it can be said that such a thing is at the very least conceivable. However, as was said before this question is rather unable to be answered.

Please note that I was replying to the very limited case posed in the question:

Pity wrote:Could it be that we are all part of a 10-year old's Sim's game?

The Sims series of games was created by humans to simulate human interactions for the entertainment of humans.

(Otherwise, my answer to the Could it be... question would have been a simple yes.)
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby eb_horsecrazy » 31st March, 2017, 7:31 am

I would have to agree that there isn't a way to prove or disprove this theory, as with so many other theories similar to this. For instance, how could one go about proving anything beyond their own existence? How could one know that their reality is actually reality and not something their mind is creating out of boredom? Is there a way to prove that our waking hours are our lives and not our resting hours? Can you prove that dreams aren't reality? I must say, it could account for the fact that I can barely ever remember my dreams...

But back on the topic of us being in a simulation, I think this is a similar idea or theory to books like The Maze Runner, Divergent, in a way even Hunger Games. I would be very interested to see if there was anyone in the world who could completely disprove this possibility.
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Re: Are we living in a simulation?

Unread postby Unshattered Illusion » 1st April, 2017, 11:04 pm

This is my interpretation to that:

Does it matter? Does it make anything you are going through feel less real? Would that impact your day to day interaction? My guess is no. I personally find that true reality is what you define it as.
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